Many paths many truths: poems from Seducersworld

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The poems collected here are inspired individually by the many Muses associated with Seducersworld, an online community for people interested in Robert Greene's Art of Seduction.

Many paths many truths

The words of each line of the first stanza Many truths many paths started out in October 2007 as being almost completely from the links of Many paths many truths; both poems continue to evolve, so it's a steadily-more-imperfect match (as opposed to the two stanzas of Many truths many paths and The Asymptote of Desire/Desiring the asymptote, which are intended to stay in sync).

See also: the Seducersworld thread Many paths, many truths (resurrected)

July 2011: In the last line, I changed "seduction" to "attraction". "Seduction" has inescapable overtones of sexuality and deception, exemplified in Robert Greene's 'Art of Seduction', and "attraction" is a much more positive term. And luckily for me they have thee same number of syllables.

September 2011: I went back to "seduction". It's a great word, and worth reclaiming :)

Seduction is

Tto Fifi, May 2006

Melting together

Melting together

Attraction, respect.
Relaxed, melting together.
Our shared work of art.

(december, 2005)

Liquid glitter

liquid glitter

bubbling in my ears
tingling on my tongue
swirling through my mind
somewhere between awake and asleep
thinking of you
dreaming of you
both at the same time
dreaming that you're dreaming of me
thinking what a wonderful dream that is

(for Genesis, march 2006)

I remember

I remember

I remember
One time you said
That a night with you
Changes everything.

Now I understand
That this was a ruse,
Lulling others, creating
A false sense of security.

You don't need
An entire night
(And all the delights
Implied by the idea.)

Now I appreciate
That every moment
Just by existing
You change everything.

(to Potion,
december 2005 / october 2007)

I can quit any time I want to

Some of the most seductive women I know approach as creating addiction. Are there ways to apply these of their techniques to poeticization? For example, consider this discussion of presuppositions from Isabella Valentina's trance FAQ

"The more you stare up at my red toenails, the more submissive you become." Now I presupposed several things. First, I made you assume you had to "stare up" at my toenails, which is implies you are underneath me. Secondly, I presupposed that I have bare feet. Thirdly, I've presupposed that I have red painted toenails. How would you know it if I hadn't said it? I could have pink toenail polish. All I did was put a thought in your mind that was said in a way that implied it actually existed. Fourthly, I presupposed you were already submissive because I said "more submissive" as though you could somehow increase your current state. When I tell you to "look at" them something that technically doesn't exist (all that really exists is your own imagination), your reality has changed. Once my feet are part of your reality, then your subconscious mind automatically has the ability of looking at my glorious toenails.

This sounds like exactly the kind of thing a Muse might do to poeticize her toenails and deepen an artist's submission to her! Is there a way for an artist to apply this technique as well -- for example can a poem (or set of poems) simultaneously poeticize the toenails and the deepening submission? How would that in turn affect the artist's submission to the Muse? To other Muses? What affect does this have on the reader?

Without a presupposition, I could have said, "Pretend I have my feet over your face. I have bare feet. My toenails are painted red. The more you imagine staring at my red toenails, the more you'll realize that perhaps you're submissive. [Obedience | And the more you realize your submissive nature, the more submissive you will become]."

Early experiments are promising, and so this seems worth exploring more. A couple more quotes, the first once again from Isabella Valentine.

If I said, "You're going into trance now and hypnosis overwhelms you deeper and deeper into my voice." Now in that sentence there are subliminal unspoken things... the direct command was that the listener is directed to go into trance. And I added "deeper and deeper" which means subliminally the person is falling.
Another subliminal message is the presupposition "my voice" which assumes that my voice even exists. My voice technically doesn't exist here because you can't hear me. You can only read me. So I've subliminally suggested that maybe you can hear my voice. Also subliminally, I suggested that because you're entering trance, you'll "fall into my voice." Not only will you fall into my voice, but you'll go deeper because you're finally in my voice.
I could have easily said, "You're going into trance now. My voice is all you hear. Pretend my voice is a cave. Now enter my voice and as you enter, go deeper and deeper into hypnosis."

And from Mz Dominica's blog entry How Flexible Is your Mind?:

And then you fall asleep... and the dreams begin. Dreams of kneeling at My feet, gazing up into My spinning, shiny crystal. Sleep. Even inside your own dreams, I put you into deeper and deeper sleep. Sleepy, and dreaming of Dominica controlling you... shaping your mind... You've heard about people taking up new hobbies, trying to keep their memories sharp, their thinking clear... by learning new things. Learning a new language... doing puzzles... Learning how to drop deep, DEEP into trance. Oh yes... I train you, don't I pet?

And Isabella Valentine describes the first step of the training:

all you have to do
to experience a deep trance
is follow instructions.
I know you want to be hypnotized,
otherwise you wouldn't be reading this.
So do yourself a favor
and teach yourself
the art of hypnotic obedience.
Obeying is easy.
It really is.




Art and beauty mold time and space.
It's "now" when I write this, when you read this,
Whenever we think or dream of each other.
And no matter the distance,
We can share sensations as well.
Close your eyes.
Whose fingers do you feel brushing against you?
Asynchronous immediacy. Remote physicality.
Pinch me feel me kiss me hold me.

(to Katia, april-may, 2006)
(originally in Meditations on desire)

The mist

The mist

You're the mist,
Sensually lingering,
Cool on my skin,
And in my mind.

You're the transformation,
As the mist swirls and lifts,
Pervasive, barely perceptible,
Soft focus and crisp -- why choose?

You're the world,
Obscured, revealed,
Peaceful, serene,
Experienced and alive.

(for AA, november 2006)

Fountains of light

Fountains of light


(for the gemstones and elements that are the women of Seducersworld)
(March-October 2007)

Sweet dreams

(for Fifi, january 2006)

Many truths many paths

Many truths many paths

You shouldn't exist.
Seduction is a process.
Imagine this: Sweet dreams.

A change is coming.
A kiss. Midnight. Seduction.
I choose left. And you?

(October 12, 2007)